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Solar Ray	Posted - 2008.06.28 05:45:00 - [1] Re: suggestion about price import mechanism Correct market prices are absolutely critical to the purpose of this application, as it prioritizes invention jobs based on profitability. Now, although the price import mechanism is not entirely transparent, it would seem that the import occurs over all the regions. Of all the options available for import, only one seems reliable to me: the MINIMUM SELL price. We all know that there are occasional extreme buy and sell orders, which often render MEAN and AVERAGE quite inaccurate. By the same logic MAXIMUM BUY price is also flawed, although to a lesser extent, if taken across all regions. Now, MINIMUM SELL order is pretty close to being a reliable indicator with a single exception. If I am doing my business in The Forge, and some shmuck wants to cheaply dispose of his "free" datacores in Tash-Murkon, all my math based on that particular datacore type will get skewed. It is possible to check all the relevant prices manually, of course. However, other applications (EVE MEEP for instance) allow to select a region for import from EVE CENTRAL. That is, if I work in Forge, I select Forge prices and see what is profitable to produce based on Jita prices. It would be a feature nice to have, in case the technical possibility to import prices from a single region does indeed exist.
Solar Ray	Posted - 2008.06.28 17:11:00 - [2] It is good to know that the application is in further development. This tool is indispensable. Thanks for your work, seriously.
Solar Ray	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:52:00 - [3] I can't say I understand how "Items to manufacture" works. I never managed to get anything on it :) I assumed that it is meant for intermediate items, e.g. T1 modules for T2 production, which I don't mess with. What would also be extremely useful, is to have a mechanism to track not only your average invention success rate, but also your profit from t2 manufacturing (either based on eve-c imports or actual prices). Another nice-to-have option I can think of is some sort of EveMon style reminder about completion times for copy/invention/manufacture jobs. I am almost sure these are not in api, so they will have to be set manually, but what I personally need in practice is the shortest job of all, so I know when to log on to do something. Maybe that makes sense to other people too.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:25:00 - [4] A small token of appreciation sent from my corp. Thanks once again. May I suggest a couple of thing for the future development? I concur with a previous poster, that temporal bottleneck should be a part of profit calculation, it is very important. Bigger profits per invention job have actually little to do with the ability to optimally generate isk. Other two suggestions concern usability. I prefer to sort items first by profit, second by race. In this or any other non-default case the sorting order is reset upon virtually any change in item price or settings. On the average I have to re-sort two or three times during one session. Perhaps, the program could remember the sorting order? Also, it would be really helpful to have "Favorities". The application is used not only to compare profitability of jobs, but to track the profitability of blueprints one already has, as well as tracking shopping expenses and adding invention results. In the first case one naturally wants to have all items on the page, but otherwise - merely the items one actually invents.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.08.26 16:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Soleramnus Edited by: Soleramnus on 26/08/2008 04:56:10 Edited by: Soleramnus on 26/08/2008 04:46:18 EDIT: I got the same error when trying to get the program to access my API. I can't connect to API either. Tried to remove the settings file as suggested to no avail. EVE Central works fine though.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.09.07 15:58:00 - [6] Is anybody else having problems with API? "Authentification Failed", firewall ok, API logs do not show any attempts to access it. Anyways, we haven't heard from the author of this extremely useful application in a while. Is he still around? I am ready for a new donation :)
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.09.20 09:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Burchov Well, I tried uploading the new verson to EVE-Files, but for some reason it does not accept either rar files or applications any more. I mailed Chribba about it, but I haven't received a response... share via a torrent? I'll seed for quite a while.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.09.21 10:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I still think it would be useful to add an extra column showing profit per hour for each inventable item I agree in principle, but this application is giving enough already. Producers need to think for themselves a little bit, too, otherwise the whole industry becomes a point-and-click exercise.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.09.22 15:13:00 - [9] Probably a bug: shopping list shows 0 volume (size in m3) for most components.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.12.09 22:28:00 - [10] Any updates in foreseeable future? :)

Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.12.15 15:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Burchov Originally by: Athreya Impressive tool but still missing most important column = profit per hour. This profit has to be calculated manually from data produced by a program by simple formula: profit per job devided by manufacturing time (for modules). I was asking about this addition in august and still have to calculate and compare profits per hour manually. That's because I've had exactly 0 time to spend on developing this. It is still on the things to do, don't worry I beg you not to implement this feature. This is the last element of invention that requires some minor thinking, please don't turn us into robots :)
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.12.16 10:30:00 - [12] A propos, prices update doesn't work for a couple of days now. Says "Loaded 0 items from cache and successfully retrieved 0 items from Eve-Central". Is it just me?
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.12.23 10:28:00 - [13] The limit is still in place. Is there any workaround? This reminds me that a favorities function would be really of use in these situations. Like when the user wants just to update a few products, not the whole list.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2008.12.28 09:16:00 - [14] Originally by: The Beekeeper Its a horrible workaround, but if you know what prices you want, use the filtering of items to bring the list down to 20 or less, which will then work for grabbing the price from eve-central (you might have to deselect everything except the category the item is in). Nice, I never even noticed that filter before.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2009.01.09 18:11:00 - [15] Pretty please give us some advanced filtering options to work around the EVE-Central limitations :) The app hasn't been working for month now.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2009.01.10 12:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Ad Adastra Anyway, here is a screen shot of said problem. I have also tried this on 3 (three) different connections now. All give this error. http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inventioncalchb8.jpg Any help would be appreciated. Windows Firewall?
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:08:00 - [17] Bump with a desperate urge for additional filters to circumvent the new 20-item limit on EVE-CENTRAL. It's been there for too long! Simple shift-click selection will bring all the world peace!
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:51:00 - [18] There might be a workaround for the EVE-C query limit. The invention app uses an XML file for EVE-C queries, which contains all the items and times of their last successful query. If the time is in the future, item will not update. The technique would be then having multiple XML files with 20 items using real time, and all the other items using a future date. The user would need to rename the corresponding XML file into AllItems.xml before running a next query. Still, this would be more convenient than filtering each item by name. Only problem is that items are listed by their respective ID and the job would take some time. If someone could arrange 20-item XML files for T2 components, minerals, and other building sources, it could be used by this little community. Manufactured goods prices could be set individually then. Anyone up for the task?
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2009.01.31 11:04:00 - [19] Originally by: MegabitOne If anyone is interested in it, I will look for a way to distribute it.... www.eve-files.com By all means, I think we all are interested.
Solar Ray Vanishing Point	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:33:00 - [20] Originally by: MegabitOne The data dowloaded from EveCentral always contains all different price types. The selection on which one to use is done by you inside the InventionCalculator. For example if you download the latest prices from EveCentral with my tool and then go into the InventionCalculator and choose some price with another price type, you will see that the message after the download says something like '0 prices downloaded from EveCentral, x prices from cache'. This means all your prices were already the most recent ones and that he got the other price type straight from the AllItems.xml file. If you open the AllItems.xml file in a browser you will see all price types EveCentral provides for each item... Would be nice to get some kind of progress bar on the import, or just an "OK" window, when it's done. A good job otherwise, and a small token of appreciation sent your way.

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